You all talking about the immatrial patents should be abolished
and that i stand behind if its for a non commercial use meaning personal.

But in pirate party they also argue for the abolishmeant of the material patents - though i really think its more to shift focus to get p2p legal but and it has worked.

The idea behind this is that patents in general stops development. For exampel take the american airways. When wwII started us had well crappy planes and when the government had to build good planes they simply put shitted on every patent took what they wanted and build good planes. As it is today patents a hold by different comapanys that compete try to stop the other by not allowing them to use their designs. Then we have medical patents thats forces developing countrys and even sick people pay enormous sums of money for drugs witch production cost is minimal.

And people still keep the myth alive about a lonley scientist working in a cellar and suddenly have a break through and gets money from idea that is false. Reality is completly diffrent.

maybe the scientist gets they idea but a company gets the patent they earn the money not the scientist. If the scientist argue he will be drowned in legal fees. The only winners in the patent industry is the companys that have money and time to pay the lawyers and be couped up in court.

a grimm reality

and to take a patent takes about 4 years and the cost is about at least in sweden where im from about 50 000 usdollars. This means like in the mobile industry they no longer bother taking patents because when the idea has become a patent its already old and of no use. i dont know if im talking about us mobile industrys but i true for sony-ericsson and nokia

piracy is the way forward

Now you can read a Full Declaration of Principles on the site, which was accepted by a majority of 86.44% Yays.

I agree with many of your statements and the fact that you have real experience with the poor of the world where you gave assistance adds to the weight of your words.

However, the big problem is that in the next 10 years the laws and business models will simply be outdated by what technology and connectivity will bring. For instance there is talk now of Ipod-like products that will have built in Wi-Fi and file sharing. Can you imagine… people will be sitting in traffic and browse the local wireless net and find that someone 2 cars behind them (or two seats away at a coffee shop) has the song they want. Or even a movie, or a game or so on… How the hell can a RIAA of MPAA regulate that??

Information is getting more and more difficult to contain whether its on vinyl, magnetic tape, or little shiny discs, and now it saturates the airwaves. We are approaching an information singularity where information will flow like water and how can you stop that? We will have to find another way to pay those that come up with original content. I’m not saying that I have the answers, but I do know that is it naive to say that the old business model will ever work again.

Oh and heres an interesting link on the subject… Thomas Edison can shed some light (by his mistakes) on this issue ; )

http://www.mp3newswire.net/...

As someone who actually works in the developing world under an NGO, I’ve seen that starvation in these places has nothing to do with the ’syndicate’ or the ‘corporations’ or any other such boogeyman. Movements like this always like to speak of the ’syndicate’ like it’s some far-reaching, unified legion of doom led by a round table of super-villains. *Gasp!* However, we’re never really told who the syndicate is. Unless you’re trying to tell us that Bedouins in North Africa are dying from tuberculosis because the RIAA won’t let you download your Rage Against the Machine music?

Here’s the truth of it - I hope you don’t mind my perspective. I’ve just been travelling parts of Asia, the Middle East and Africa for the past 8 years doing relief work, and don’t have the experience that weed-smoking, music-pirating, Che-reading, web-blogging, parents’-basement-dwelling 15 year olds would have. Most of this starvation in developing nations has to do with their own governments being corrupt - and nothing to do with the West. I actually think that’s a sign of Western arrogance:

"People are starving in India! We Western nations are so mighty and powerful, it simply must have something to do with Nike!"

Is it any coincidence that the dollar amount given to Africa in aid over the past few years is almost totally matched by the dollar amount embezzlled by the same nations? Is it disturbing to you that in India, the failed-but-still-running caste system allows less than 5 percent of the population to control over 95% of the resources (the opposite then being also true)? In the country where I work in particular, 51% of every business in the country, new or established, must be owned by a person of their particular ethnicity (not white). And that nation - not America - is considered one of the most corrupt nations to do business in in the world. One man I spoke with, the manager of a Radisson told me "Radisson paid for me to live in the US for two years and be trained to run the business here. They found that there is so much corruption in this part of the world that if you just appoint someone from the local populace to run the hotel, it will fail within a year."

One last thought to those who are actually supporting this movement. Does it looks familiar at all to any of you? This is just socialism repackaged. Show me where in the world that this type of thinking has succeeded. What it essentially boils down to is this, (which socialists believe):

1) None of you are that bright. There’s no way that any of you can possibly make lots of money on your own good ideas. Therefore, if you see someone with lots of money, he must have stolen it and oppressed people to get it. There’s no other explaination.

2) Start a business! Make some money! We believe in small businesses! However, know that there is a line between you being a ’small’ business, and one day being a ‘big’ business. You won’t know the line when you cross it, only we will. On that day, we will decide that there are people more deserving of some of your dollars than you, and we will re-allocate them. (Remember Nike, Microsoft, Coca-Cola and McDonalds were all at one time start-up, small businesses sticking it to the corporate fat-cats. I know - it’s hard to hear).

So go ahead and repackage your socialism. Even add ‘pirate’ to the name. It certainly ties-in with illegal file-sharing, and pirates seem to be pretty ‘hip’ in internet subculture nowadays, what with Maddox, realultimatepower and countless other clones, so that’s a plus. It may fly in Sweden, a country so bass-ackwards that feminists want to remove urinals from men’s rooms so that they as females are not ‘discriminated’ against (http://www.petting-zoo.net/...) but try to bring that here to America and see what happens.

For the longest time I didn’t see it because I’m generally opposed to the new economic theories. Not realizing of course that there are those on the right that also want more from the system. I guess it’s easy to generalize on outgroup conformity. Empowering the market in this fashion could be a way to in fact empower us all at a very low cost to say Rawlsian egalitarian liberalism or whatever inclination one might have. Doing some soul-searching, many of the problems with "neo-liberalism", "laissez faire" or whatever one calls it is in fact that the ideologies operate under the umbrella protection of governments. Not at all just being counteracted as some neo-liberals see it. In effect they (a minority, the monopolies) enjoy dual benefits, living "laissez faire" and having a massive legal machinery free of charge at their command. Even the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force to back it up if everything else fails (Weber).

In most countries … corporations, if not state-owned, have at least grafted themselves onto government. The military-industrial complex is perhaps the best example of the latter. So even governments who seem to talk the talk can’t walk the walk, as it were.